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Eileen Kennedy-Moore, PhD's avatar

One of our main jobs as parents is to teach kids how to be in relationships. Something I think is missing from the extreme forms of "gentle parenting" is a recognition that other people have needs and feelings, too. Yes, your feelings matter, but so do others', and sometimes your feelings are not the most important. I had a client once, a young girl who hated, hated, hated having her picture taken and didn't hesitate to let everyone know it at the top of her lungs. When grandma's big birthday was coming up, and family members were going to be gathering from near and far, I said to the girl, "You really hate getting your picture taken. It makes you feel uncomfortable and self-conscious, and it's boring to stop what you're doing and look at the camera or line up with everyone. I hear you. Whose feelings are most important at Grandma's birthday party?" Recognizing the answer to this question helped her endure the family photos at the big event. Our kids feelings matter, but they're not always the most imporant thing.

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Sarah Kmon's avatar

Yeah, 14 year olds drinking to the point of vomiting sounds super alarming. And the *idea* that it was happening with the support of some parents is also alarming. Though, as you said, you don't know the whole story, and I am curious about what the story really is. What needs were they trying to meet? We have no idea.

I also found the phrase "connection over consequences" super interesting as I have never heard of it. But, to be fair, I spend almost no time on social media besides facebook. I *have* heard of "connection before correction", which makes sense. It seems that in your analysis of the "consequences" you are actually meaning punishments. Is that right?

I read this with curiosity, because of the conflation, in your title, of gentle parenting and permissive parenting. Gentle parenting has a big umbrella, but "no" is definitely a word that gets used. Your rule of no phones in rooms overnight makes total sense, in terms of meeting needs for proper rest, safety, predictable expectations etc. And it could absolutely fall under the umbrella of gentle parenting, though I got the impression you think it doesn't. Did I understand that correctly?

I am in full agreement with you about scooping up a melting child and leaving a restaurant, and with the idea that it can happen while still being curious and empathic about what the child is needing. But I think this also falls under gentle parenting. More specifically, respectful parenting.

I think we're largely on the same page. But I have some concern about the "permissive" and "gentle" being read as the same thing, which, in my world, they aren't at all. And just writing that sentence, to me, invites judgment of permissiveness. I would rather be curious as to what longings a parent has that leads them towards permissiveness.

How is it for you to get this response?

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